Compliant (Low VOC) Solvent Basecoats
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I would at least do a demo od water Stone so you can see if you like it or not.
[quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
So is there such an animal as High Solid Low VOC?Oh man I would be very leary of limco,color match is always an issue with lower lines.You should have been demoing different systems to find what works for you,nothing like waiting until the last minute :stoned Hope it works out for ya,that would suck having to tint every color.I’m with DT and the others try waterborne and stop being so stubborn 😉
Sorry to change the subject..just browsing through and seem as though a lot of you guys use water…We are using Dupont Chromax Pro water. Any of you guys have dirt problems in the base coat? We mix it and then strain it through 4 strainers total 2(125 micron) and 2(190 micron) and still have dirt when spraying it. O yea and on top of that the PPS cup has a 125 micron strainer built in. Some jobs you have to lay the clear on so heavy as to just bury the dirt and well don’t really like to do that.
[quote=”timbo” post=14707][quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
So is there such an animal as High Solid Low VOC?[/quote]Yes there is, a lot of low voc stuff is HS, but not all.
[quote=”zallen89@yahoo.com” post=14709]Sorry to change the subject..just browsing through and seem as though a lot of you guys use water…We are using Dupont Chromax Pro water. Any of you guys have dirt problems in the base coat? We mix it and then strain it through 4 strainers total 2(125 micron) and 2(190 micron) and still have dirt when spraying it. O yea and on top of that the PPS cup has a 125 micron strainer built in. Some jobs you have to lay the clear on so heavy as to just bury the dirt and well don’t really like to do that.[/quote]
Is it in the blend area or the whole thing?
Have you noticed it more using WB06 or the zyrillic pearls?
[quote=”zallen89@yahoo.com” post=14709]Sorry to change the subject..just browsing through and seem as though a lot of you guys use water…We are using Dupont Chromax Pro water. Any of you guys have dirt problems in the base coat? We mix it and then strain it through 4 strainers total 2(125 micron) and 2(190 micron) and still have dirt when spraying it. O yea and on top of that the PPS cup has a 125 micron strainer built in. Some jobs you have to lay the clear on so heavy as to just bury the dirt and well don’t really like to do that.[/quote]
I used to use Cromax Pro. I find it is the same as all water products, in regards to getting crap in it.
Other than the obvious, I don’t have any solution
Yes we have narrowed it down to WB06 and a couple pearls (reds the wb1001, couple more forget though). for a while it was WB01 causing a lot of problems. Our rep brought a guy named Burt out supposedly the leader/creator or what have you of this product. they examined our products and sent us a bunch of new tints. they ended up adjusting the formula of the WB01 and its been better. 2 weeks ago I painted an audi and the base coat fish eyed every were. agian believed to be WB06. As far as it being in the blends or base coat its in the base coat. this stuff in the blends however likes to leave over spray that doesn’t tack of leaving a rougher than desired also.
If the wb06 and some of the pearls get exposed to higher or lower temps they will seed. The temps dont really have to be real extreme either. I didn’t like to let mine get below 55 degrees. If it strains really slow it will probably wind up seedy.
If you are getting fisheyes when it’s humid it’s called splashing. I didn’t have a problem with it but I have heard of it happeneing to a lot of guys. I would adjust my heat in the booth and nozzle size to account for the humidity.
Fisheyes in the base can also be caused by light contamination or a little cleaner left behind. A good way to help this is to degrease like normal with waterborne and solventborne degreasers and do a final wipe down with sprayway glass cleaner.
Cromax has a few issues that the other waters don’t have. It still needs a little refining in my opinion.
If you use the 2 gun method with your blender it will help a ton with dryness in your blend area.
Yup Burt told us that this stuff is trucked from out west somewhere for get the location in a not temp controlled truck. there for messing with them. another issue we have with them is by the time we get the stock it is already out of date. shelf life 2 years or so (they are talking about shortening it) yea the splash back I have gotten before not a huge deal dust back over it lightly to an extent obviously. could of been our air lines to they like to act up from time to time (compressor) but the boss doesn’t believe we have an issue. either way glad to hear we are not the only ones seeing these issues. the dupont reps will never admit we are correct and swear it works perfect for everyone else.
Do you have a 3-stage filter? i have heard of getting dirt in the job if your coalescer is saturated.
[quote=”ryanbrown999″ post=14712][quote=”timbo” post=14707][quote=”timbo” post=14631]here I was thinking high solids would be thicker and low voc the opposite…. :blink:[/quote]
So is there such an animal as High Solid Low VOC?[/quote]Yes there is, a lot of low voc stuff is HS, but not all.[/quote]
Thanks Ryani don’t strain my water through any filter, just mix straight in the liner, assuming your useing the pps wb liners. the lids are the only liners i use. i have also notice with enviro, i will get small fish eyes to. i concluded that it’s also cleaner.
what kind of tack rags do yo use, and are you tacking in between coats?
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