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  • December 5, 2009 at 3:40 am #17500

    The state I am locating is requiring all auto refinishing facilities to comply with the EPA’s “Air Quality Registration Permit” the first of the year 2010. To comply and recieve a permit I have to have a properly venitlated paint booth, use HVLP guns and have proof of Painter training certifications. Does anyone have any experience with this in their area. What exactly do they require, what type of painters certification is required and where can I obtain this certificate. Any advice, help concerning these regulations would be greatly appreciated.

    December 5, 2009 at 4:03 am #17501

    I have already been certified. You are sort of right on what it is. The main points of it are you have to use filters that are 97% or so (can’t remember the exact number) transfer efficient. You can’t spray thinners out of your gun to cleans. Your paint gun just has to be approved to be 65% transfer efficient. You don’t just have to use HVLP. Everything has to be sprayed in a controlled environment. Prep station or booth. No open floor priming. I would never do that anyway! 😛

    Overall the class is pretty much worthless but you have to take it every 5 years, or if you switch jobs within the first 180 days. It’s a money scam. I-CAR is going to be putting on the class for a $100 fee. If you don’t want to go that route most jobbers will be holding classes also. Our jobber had Iwata come in and teach the class free of charge to us. I would imagine that once everyone is certified it will be on you to do it again after 5 years.

    I think this class could be a good thing, but they are more worried about making money and the environment than they are worker saftey and such.

    December 5, 2009 at 5:28 am #17508

    From what I understand my state is going to be doing same requirment but not yet.

    December 5, 2009 at 9:25 am #17523

    [b]Doright wrote:[/b]
    [quote]From what I understand my state is going to be doing same requirment but not yet.[/quote]

    It pertains to everyone in the US. It isn’t a state thing.

    December 5, 2009 at 2:58 pm #17528

    If is a federally mandated change implemented by the EPA. However, as I understand it, different states are implementing the mandate at different times.

    December 5, 2009 at 7:55 pm #17535

    If you don’t have a booth of some type, you have to use a paint cup that is 3oz or less and you are restricted to 9 sqft of painted area.

    This mandate is designed to drive the mobile painters out of business even though we use a fraction of the material and use guns that have a higher transfer efficiency than the RP’s that most body shops use.

    December 5, 2009 at 8:31 pm #17536

    I was expecting all this to go into effect early last year, Being a semi pro home hobbyist I wonder if I still need the class to buy paint I bet I do.

    December 5, 2009 at 8:36 pm #17537

    If you do it for profit, then yes you do. If for personal use, then you are exempt up to 2 vehicles a year.

    December 5, 2009 at 8:58 pm #17539

    Well that’s a sticky point I will be doing more than two a year if and when my arm heals up good enough from all the surgeries from the last 18 months.

    I know when I first looked into it I said to myself well I can do 2 My wife can do 2 My kid can do 2 My neighbor could do 2 ect…

    But Its only a matter of time before some one turns me in for having a paint booth.

    December 5, 2009 at 9:23 pm #17542

    If you have 8k to invest, there are mobile units that will collect 98% of the overspray. What is kind of funny about the ruling is that it states you need a 3 sided enclosure so even then you will have contaminates leaking out of the open end.

    It is causing some sleepness nights. The mandate is effective 1/11, so there is still a year to vet things out. I am looking at starting a SMART repair type facility but not sure yet. I live in a small population area and the shop would be kind of out of the way from the major population center. That fact makes it a questionable proposition, yet there is a bodyshop in town that does a great business.

    Someone from this site mentioned doing powder coating but after a google search I found 5 pages of powder coaters.

    December 6, 2009 at 12:22 am #17549

    Actually you have until 2011 to comply only if you were spraying in your shop prior to July, 2008. If you started spraying in your shop after that time you have to file and “Initial notification” no later than Jan 11 of 2010. If I understand correctly you would then have 180 days from that day to comply. There are a couple of pages on the EPA website that goes into more details. Does anyone have any information on what we have to do to obtain a “painters training certificate”. which we have to have to comply as well?

    December 6, 2009 at 12:58 am #17550

    What state are you in?

    How much are you spraying?

    I thought that most states were giving “exempt status” to shops that were using smaller quantities?

    Something like if you use less than 200 gallons of vocs/year and paint/solvents are your only source of pollution, a permit isn’t required.

    December 6, 2009 at 1:43 am #17554

    ijust got my little questionnaire from the dept of ecology today plus there request for all my paint reciepts for the yr 09 thats just what we do is the paperwork for em an i get a nice bill for there wonderful assistance from em every yr what a nice xmas gift :wak :blink: :blink:

    December 6, 2009 at 4:22 am #17556

    I am in SC and was told by the state agency in charge of implementing this mandate that the only exemptions are for: shops doing work for the armed forces, hobbists (less than two cars per year), using a small cup and those spraying paints that do not include heavy metals. I hope you are right about an exemption. I will check.

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