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[quote=”Snipe Hunter” post=33986] I don’t really think the Aquabase is a “high dollar” system compared to other low VOC alternatives. It is certainly more expensive than Diamont and less expensive than Envirobase. As for “hiding or filling scratches with base”… I don’t think I said that. I think I said hiding scratches with primer and bulldog on plastic parts. PPG says to sand to 800 wet for Aquabase. I do that for high metalics, I can get away with 600 for solids colors.
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Envirobase and Aquabase are the same stuff. PPG bought Nexa(ICI) for their waterborne technology.
Why are you still wetsanding?. 600 on a da and a grey scuff pad will be faster and you wont have sand scratches showingDing… DA sanding to 600 is like changing religions to me. I usually don’t go past 320 with a DA. For me, the paper tends to clog up fast when I get to the finer grits. I’ll experiment with it.
Ben… About PPGs low VOC clears.. I haven’t used them yet but the locals are saying the same thing. They aren’t happy with them. There is an Omni Low VOC clear that they like but apparently the factory won’t warranty it “lifetime”. I only need to warranty my stuff for a year but I still don’t want failures. I don’t mind paying up for a great looking clear. The DC2000 isn’t cheep but as far as I’m concerned, it makes me money because it’s fast and looks great and I don’t spend much time cutting and buffing.
Cromax.. Thanks, I’ll look into Omni’s 2k spectral gray primers. I hadn’t thought about IR cure. Product cost is not my concern. I don’t mind paying for quality products… I just don’t like slow progress. I need to push about 6 cars a day through… All minor damage but it’s still a lot of work for a one man operation. I’m the owner, salesman, prep man, body man and painter.
Guns and booth: It varies. My shop is old and antiquated and grandfathered. Guns… I have several. I’d rather buy a gun that works well for my clear than a clear that works for my gun. I’m by no means a gun snob. It’s my opinion that the operator is more important than the gun. Some of my work goes mobile… Particularly Limos, fire engines, Semi trucks and occasional airplanes. I get the weird stuff that won’t fit in a booth. I use a turbine and either AccuSpray or Apollo guns. Apollo for the clear.,
you contradict yourself with every post. you want fast but dont want to learn new proper prep procedures sticking with your old slow ways. You dont care about cost but use 1K primer and Bulldog. You’ve sprayed Onyx and liked it but put a Nexa system in. You went to an application course but still dont know how to use the product properly.
You read an awful into what I’ve said. I said I can’t use bulldog because it reacts with the aquabase. Does that sound like I’m using bulldog to you? I said I liked spraying onyx because it acts more like the solvent base that I’m used to and dries faster. So what? I like a big porter house steak too but I had chicken for dinner. No contradiction. I installed the Aquabase after reviewing just about everything available to me that meets Maryland’s low Voc rule and it’s got better support in my area than Onyx. I like it’s color matches and the way it blends. Probably the best I’ve seen. I’m disappointed in it’s drying time and coverage and I can’t use some techniques that I’m accustom to. I was lead to believe it had superior coverage.. it’s right there on PPGs site. I don’t feel that it’s coverage is any better than anything else I have used. It that ok with you? I work out of two locations, there is a PPG rep close to both. The closest Onyx rep is 20 miles from either site.
When I form my opinions, I don’t really consider how you will feel about it. I can argue with you all day long, I’m pretty good at it. I’ve got some good suggestions here and I intend to stick around and learn something. I don’t mind butting heads with you. If I thought I knew everything, I wouldn’t be on a public refinishing forum. But you probably already knew that.
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i run a one man shop too and i specialize in fleet repairs and refinishing and honestly i dont care about speed as much as i care about quality and cost. your customers will appreciate your quality more then speed and honestly you have to teach them reality and tell them to relax. to be honest id be embarrassed if my work only lasted a year or if i had customers who didnt care about quality and were only concerned about speed. i tell those type of people to check out the other fleet shops.
You said… “I can’t use some techniques that I am accustomed too” No kidding,you have to change for the product and be open to new ways,you can’t abuse it like you did with solvent.
If you actually reviewed it and did a demo first you would know that its not going to work with your old techniques,hell you should have known that at the application course.You came here for some tips/help/advice but you are stuck on your old ways,unless you change it won’t work for you.
Six small jobs a day is not hard to do with waterborne,there must be more to the story.[quote=”Snipe Hunter” post=34011]You read an awful into what I’ve said. I said I can’t use bulldog because it reacts with the aquabase. Does that sound like I’m using bulldog to you? I said I liked spraying onyx because it acts more like the solvent base that I’m used to and dries faster. So what? I like a big porter house steak too but I had chicken for dinner. No contradiction. I installed the Aquabase after reviewing just about everything available to me that meets Maryland’s low Voc rule and it’s got better support in my area than Onyx. I like it’s color matches and the way it blends. Probably the best I’ve seen. I’m disappointed in it’s drying time and coverage and I can’t use some techniques that I’m accustom to. I was lead to believe it had superior coverage.. it’s right there on PPGs site. I don’t feel that it’s coverage is any better than anything else I have used. It that ok with you? I work out of two locations, there is a PPG rep close to both. The closest Onyx rep is 20 miles from either site.
When I form my opinions, I don’t really consider how you will feel about it. I can argue with you all day long, I’m pretty good at it. I’ve got some good suggestions here and I intend to stick around and learn something. I don’t mind butting heads with you. If I thought I knew everything, I wouldn’t be on a public refinishing forum. But you probably already knew that.[/quote]
ya you said you stopped using bulldog because it reacts with the aquabase, but you also said you’ll try the waterbased bulldog. dont ever remember reading a PPG/Nexa tech sheet that recommended bulldog.
You say you reviewed everything avail to you regarding compliant paint systems before choose aquabase. does that mean you read all the marketing info and listened to all the sales pitches or you actually demoed the products to see which ones worked best for you. I’m guessing you didnt demo much since you are disappointed you cant use techniques you were accustom to and that you were sold on the superior coverage just because PPG’s web site said so.
Bottom line is you are not using the product correctly yet are saying that it blows. it’s like not putting enough oil in your motor then saying it sucks because it knockshere is a link that might help you out
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProductCatalog/ViewProductListing.aspx?BrandID=d3a4b6f0-2a6c-43f2-bbdf-131ac6461175Hi again I know you brought up warranty anytime you use a omni product weather clear primer sealer or color you lost your warranty no matter what goes on top or below that being said I have used alot of it with out any major failures I have vehicles six years out that still look great but PPG is vary picky about warranty my regional manager has known me twenty years and will help me out if there’s a issue with omni but does not have to so beware mixing lines even if there all made by PPG never do insurance work with omni products follow your aquabase recommended under and top coats or your the warrant :rock y also PPG one choice works great for bumpers
MoCoke, I warranty my work for a year because that’s all my customers require. That doesn’t mean the work will only last a year. I’m sure I would fix anything beyond the year if asked, I’ve just never been asked. My customers are fine with that. I do no insurance work or any heavy collision work. It’s rare that I ever replace a part, everything is hammered out and repaired. My workmanship is better than the other shops that will turn around work quickly. I’m always busy, they aren’t always busy. I’ve never seen or heard of a failure and about 95% of my business is repeat customers. I’m doing something right and have been doing it for quite a few years.
Cromax… I don’t think One Choice is compatible with AquaBase.. I’ll double check. If it isn’t low VOC, I can’t even get it here. I’ll have some UV SpeedPrime and HS Plus Wet on Wet Sealer (lt, med and dark) by monday.
Jayson… 6 small jobs a day is as much as I can do and I knock off early on Fridays. I don’t need any more than that. I’m not as young as I used to be and it’s still a good living.
welcome to the site snipe :cheers
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