Andy Taylor
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Hi Alistair :welc
Glad to see you found us, as a lot of the guys on here have much more experience of the kind of work your doing than I have, so should be of more help.
Providing you can understand what they’re saying of course :rofl
[quote=”painter123″ post=20927]No we don’t have them over here that i am aware of..[/quote]
Lucky you :lol1The motoring press over here reckon they are one of the most boring cars on the road.
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[quote=”painter123″ post=20925]What kind of car those parts off? a VW?[/quote]
A Vauxhall Vectra – not sure if you get them over there.The car’s actually silver, but the guy is obsessed with this colour. I’ve already painted several dashboard parts and some exterior badges for him, and no doubt he’ll eventually want a colour change on the whole car 😆
I must admit I do love black. One medium coat and a control and you’re done. No really wet coats so it dries quick, and you can get on it with the clear in no time.
Something like that tailgate I’d be doing from tack rack to bake in 15 minutes. 10 if I was rushing…
And here’s the compressor wired and piped up:
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The pipe work is semi-temporary, as we may be moving soon, so I’ve just set up a single outlet for my painting just now. If we manage to get the new building I’ll put in a larger diameter ring main system with several drops, but this does me fine for now.
I’ve had absolutely no water issues since this lot was fitted, so I’m happy :rock
[quote=”painter123″ post=20898]Last i checked it was a metallic..thats why it was called black magic in the previous post.. :woohoo:[/quote]
Not just a metallic, but a pearl even 😆
So how was your first outing with water base? The job clearly turned out well, but how did you find it for application?
Nice one.
Plenty of opportunity for sags and runs on those!
Nice one!
We use the 3M system at work, although only the green and yellow. No point going as far as the Ultrafina for us since less than half an hour after the cars leave my shop the valet team put them through a car wash with big swirly brushes!! :wak :deadhorse
You might find you get through the green foams quite quickly. They do a really good job, but wear down pretty fast, and if you catch a sharp edge they just disintegrate. We probably get through 2 boxes (of 2) on an average week. Still haven’t found a foam pad to better them though for their combination of cut and finish.
I can’t see my boss allowing me to carpet out booth, but if I ever manage to sort out my own place I’ll be doing it.
I’m thinking about carpet tiles actually. Don’t know if you have them over there, but there about foot square pieces with a rubber backing and are very hard wearing. If I do have a major spillage or similar in the booth I can just replace a tile, rather than the whole carpet.
[quote=”jim c” post=20817]funny my stuff has been up on my walls for a year now and has not come off. a corner or two is maybe a little loose but that is it. my walls were really clean. in the instructions your supposed to give the booth an inital clean and prepping to get everything nice and clean first so it will accept the fabric. [/quote]
That’s one thing the rep did stress to me – the first application will take ages as the booth interior needs to be prepped as well as any surface you were going to paint. Sanded, degreased, tacked off even.
Consequent changes should be much quicker though, as when the old film is peeled off the surface underneath should be ready for new film straight away, except for perhaps the odd spot here and there.
I was talking to my Mirka technical rep today, and he said he knows of 3 shops that are ripping this system out as it’s causing them problems. Apparently the fibres in the film are getting into their jobs.
Now since he’s 3M’s main rival here, I’m taking his comments with a pinch of salt, but have you noticed anything similar Jim? Certainly the sample of film I was left doesn’t show any signs of the fibres coming loose.
That would get the finish flatter, but it’d be too much for my liking on normal stuff as it’d be flatter than the factory finish on the non painted panels.
The 3M 1500 discs last quite well. 1 generally does a full front end, so probably 4 for a full car, although if you’re trying to remove 1000 grit linear sanding marks you may need a couple more as it’ll take a bit more effort. I’ve done 1200 hand to 1500 disc before, and that seems to work OK.
Abralons are about the same, but Trizact seem to last much longer
From a production point of view – you don’t want to be doing anything by hand that a machine can do 😉
I’ll hit any large chunks of dirt with a 1200 on a palm sander then refine with a 1500. If there’s a bit too much peel I’ll go over the whole panel with the 1500. I switch brands a bit, but at the minute I’m using Mirka Q Silver 1200’s, and 3M 260L 1500 discs.
I’ll then refine the surface with a Mirka 2000 Abralon disc before buffing, but again, I may be swapping back to 3M and the 3000 Trizact for that stage.
It’s certainly much much faster than doing it by hand, without too much loss in quality. I wouldn’t do it that way for a show car that wanted to be perfectly flat, but then such a finish would look out of place on a “regular” job anyway.
We do have a small orbit Mirka palm sander (2.5mm), but their regular 5mm orbit ones are fine for the job, and a little quicker.
Just make sure you clean the surface before moving to a finer grit, so you don’t get pigtails.
Thanks Jim. A comprehensive review and just what I wanted to hear.
The main problem will be getting the high initial cost past my boss, but I’m hoping to convince him with the productivity angle. I have one guy that spends most of his day just demasking and polishing the jobs I’ve painted. If this stuff cuts down on the dirt nibs, and saves us just 10 minutes polishing time on each job, that’ll add up to anything from 10 – 16 hours a week he could be doing something more productive instead. Then of course there should be less booth down time for cleaning (something we simply can’t afford).
I like the idea of brushing it down too – that ought to help it last even longer.
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sorry my mistake that should have read 4BAR ,my bad lol
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No worries. I thought we’d stepped into airbrush territory 😆My neighbour’s a central heating engineer. I’ll see if he’s got anything lying around :whistle: