Dennis B.
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Terminology :huh:
I always called it a Fish plate :SI dont know what a Pinch weld is either?
Bondo
What are you guy’s talking about with Sleeves/Inserts and Overlapping???The Joining of the two skins?
PaintNfool No problems here! LOL!
guitarplayer3y
Your plan for that compressor is a bad one!
Do what Stone says get and OLD hood from a junk yard doesn’t matter if its dented or not and try sanding it out with that baby air compressor, You will quickly learn what I’m talking about. You will also probably burn it up before you finish sanding out the whole truck, those little toys just are not meant for continuous running.
Besides that most of your DA’s are air hogs 12 cfm or more any you buy for less than 150 are going to be at least 15-18 cfm.
All of Devillbiss’s guns are air hogs too!Then when you try to paint with it it gets even worse the Pressure fluctuations every time it kicks on youll have to stop spraying and wait for it to catch up. that’s OK if your not in a hurry but it will drive you crazy! as youll spray for about 30 seconds and then have to stop and wait for it to catch up and stop running again.
Just some things to think about I’m not saying it cant be done not at all it would drive me out of my frigging mind is all ok? Try buying the biggest one you can first time check out Craigs list youl be glad you did.
Here’s a thread a guy did with nothing but hard work and determination with the very basic stuff, Bondo also did his Dart with a tiny compressor too I think years ago.
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5183&start=0Heres a two stage 80 gal CHEAP!
http://www.chpower.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/chPrd3_10051_10001_100931_-1_10646_10647_OK Sorry I thought you had never done it before
This thread should help alot thenhttp://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1945
Ding
I will take it I sent you a email through the board I dont know if you got itMy number is
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775 513 8814 cellI’m all for him jumping in and doing it! Heck that’s how I started and my first job turned out good if I do say so myself and I’m a Picky SOB TOO!
Just every thing I learned in that first try though well I ended up Buying all the wrong stuff including the Air Compressor and doing every thing wrong and redoing it and buying all the real stuff to finish the job right! Not too mention all the problems associated with the job of painting an Old car/Truck with prior body damage.I’m just trying to give him a head start on the learning curve. :woohoo: Wish some one would have told me 10 years ago! :S Even then I wouldn’t have believed them either though! :huh: I had too try it my way first! 😛 only then did I believe! :blush:
After looking at his Truck well its obvious by what he shows he doesn’t like that he wants a nice job and all.
And in order too do a nice job in a TIMELY fashion wouldn’t you agree that my list is at least close to the bare minimums? :pcorn:If I am giving the Guy wrong info please tell him and me I hate to give out the wrong info after all I DO NOT KNOW IT ALL I’m just a beginner too! :blush:
If i didnt need to paint as many cars as I need too I wouldnt have got’n into this stuff as a Hobby.
Too much work! compleets suck!
Isnt it the Truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your doing it for Money YOUR a PRO!
You been dooing much longer than I have too my first few attempts have been hit and miss the shinkage issues with welding are messing with me bad. :cens :S :blink: :blush: :unsure: :huh:Start with getting all your equipment up too snuff FIRST! You get what you pay for here buy good Hi quality stuff the first time! IMHO
Like a compressor, a tiny 5hp Sears with a 20 gallon tank isn’t going to cut it IMHO a 7hp 220v powered 60-80 gal unit would be good about $1000 on up. Get the Biggest baddest one you can afford the FIRST time! Youll be glad you did!
Don’t forget a good Air pressure Regulator! about $100 + -.Then a good Oil/Water separator/Drier system! and a good Water drier is a must! Prices are all over the place buy a good one IMHO! about $50-$3000 Here again you get what you pay for!
A good DA will help a lot! too, You can get a good one for about $100 on up!.
Then you need a Good Paint gun, Astro sells good cheap guns from what I understand, about $50-$80.
I use DeVillbiss gun’s I would suggest a Devilbiss FLG3 with the 3 tip option about $150. Not the best by far you get what you pay for! Most of the Guy’s here are using top of the line guns $500-$700 range. I like my FLG3, GTI and My 670 Plus guns.
Don’t forget a good air pressure gage for at the gun!A Good Buffer like Dewalt or Makita about $200, yes Auto body tool mart and others sell el cheapo’s for $80 but its hit or miss for a good one that it wont burn out in the middle of the first job.
Don’t forget a good assortment of Buffing Pads! about $100
Lake country makes and sells really good ones cheap 5-10 each.New fresh CLEAN OIL FREE Air hoses! for the Paint gun $50
That’s lot of junk for one paint job isn’t it?
Just some suggestionsJumping into a Big world with both feet :welc
By the way is your Garage attached or a detached garage?
If its attached ISOCYANATES will harm others in the house!There is another web sight that is more into helping the first timer.
Do searches youll find all the info your looking for PLUS!http://www.autobody101.com 😉
I would head Stones advice and go slow and small youll enjoy it more and it wont cost as much as fast. 😉
A Good Base coat clear coat job will run $1000 plus in just materials alone did you know that? :whistle:
Yes it can be done cheaper but not with good quality products. :exciWhat kind of compressor do you have? HP and CFM :huh:
Do you have a water drier system? :huh:
How about a water separator? :huh:
Do you have a Good DA? :blush:
What kind of paint gun do you have now? :unsure:
How about a Buffer and Pads + all the compounds? :blush:
How about a good assortment of Sanding Blocks But you can use paint sticks. :blush:Materials needed
Soap
Wax and grease remover
Sandpaper
Primer
paint
Clear
Buffing pads
Compounds
And a lot more!DA Sand Paper
80 grit
180 grit
320 gritHand Blocking Paper sold in and by the sheeth
400, 600, 1000 grit
1500, 2000, 2500 grit for finalHarbor Freight does sell all this above cheap be prepared you will use 10X as much as a good Hi quality Paper like 3M or other High Quality Sand pappers. But you can try using it I guess. :whistle:
Sand Paper suggestions are just my recomendations for a beginner and not necessarily what a Pro like Stone or what the other guys may say and may recommend. :whistle:
But should get you going in an OK direction. :silly:Do your home work! :exci
Read about all this stuff first ! :exci
Buy all your materials and tools First and have it all on hand! BEFORE YOU START! 😉
Shop around places like these there are a lot of others 😉
http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/
http://www.smartshoppersinc.com/
Buy or rent a Training video or two :welc :pcorn:Have FUN! with it take your time! its supposed to be FUN!
Jim & Ding
No Finish Master cant blend it in 22, UNO or RM no Toners available all dried up he says. just my luck. :S
Seams every thing My FinishMaster gets is out of CA and AZ and CA is all Water base now pretty much.I found guy in Minnesota that will do it in 22 for me 140 qt plush shipping :unsure:
Stone
Thanks for the infoI would really love too see the patches going in and how you guys do it please!
Be nice too see how you pros do it maybe us newbs would learn a thing or two?
You got any updates before you go on Vacation?
[b]Doright wrote:[/b]
[quote]I have an 81 Ferrari 308 GTSI in original yellow paint.
I need a Paint code My jobber says to match the paint color.
I cant find any thing on car.
No tags like on vetts that lists color code, Trim code etc…Any one have any idea as too were I might find it? or does any one have a book that may list it?
Also Car appears to be painted in a Single stage?
Would it be a single stage?[/quote]Thanks we will see what the Vegas dealer says shortly