don prcotor
Forum Replies Created
- Posts
ryan i may have miss read what he wrote, i thought he said he was geting lifting with burn thrus with the water. maybe he meant the primer.
that depends do you want the supreme or deluxe paint?
well if that’s the case. i use a light coat of etch prime on it.
after the links down loads, scroll down to page 88.
http://www.sata.com/fileadmin/sata/PDF/Manuals/131656.pdfafter a while, i know what virants will work the best. i use the variant chips, and if the oem doesn’t match i find one that does. sometimes i have to use a 50/50 on some colors to get a good match. but i hate tinting with a passion. take too much time.
so when in doubt, i consult the excuse catalog. by the way when is the revise edition comeing out with the water section?it’s a christmas gift for the wife. she doesn’t know. but i’m worried weather or not if she can drive this thing.
[quote=”Jayson M” post=15544]Hey Ryan what epoxy are you using?
Lild keep in mind waterborne has been in use in Europe since 94.The sikkens system I have been using has been around that long and ICI Aquabase is a company that ppg bought(now called nexa aquabase plus,where envirobase came from)has also been used since that time,no bugs to be worked out.
Sikkens says no to etch primer,unless I seal over it,and as far as a 1K primer..no way I have seen what happens,the waterborne will eat into it and it will fail,peeling,mapping,die off etc.[/quote]
yeah i know, i’ve read all the stuff on it. as matter of fact their still useing the aquabase lable.
but, i have painted a car, had to repaint it, cut through the fresh clear, only down to the base, and reabase it with enviro, and no lifting or busting up of the fresh clear. but that’s why i ask what brand he is useing. you know how that goes, we each have our certain problems.well, jimmo i never had any sealer or the etch prime lifting on me if i hit too hard with the water(wet) the only thing it does, is soak in. if that happens i wait another 5 mins. go at it again. what kind of brand of water are you useing?
well honestly, ryanbrown999, i seal everything and rarely use the etch prime, i also understand where jimmo’s comeing from, who wants to mix sealer for an edge where you burned through in the sanding process. i feel like a small area like that is fine to use etch. after a few mins. you could hit it with a scotch pad then go to it.
i was told i could use the etch prime. and true, does it mean you wont have problems down the road. no, but that’s what the warranty is for. i haven’t had a problem with ppg warranting their products. and plus you have to wait. that’s going to be the thing with water over the next few yrs.. we’ll have to wait and see what can really be done, and what can’t.
as a matter of fact when they came out with the new version of enviro, they told people not use dc3000 clear, then change their mind, when so many painters ignored them, and were haveing success with it. and that came out of their mouths. but they adimenant about not use dch70 with dc3000.i’ve use etch prime quite abit, for those spots where is don’t want to spot seal, just becasue it’s a pita to deal with the effects of spot sealing.
i’ve never had a problem useing etch prime, i will put a light coat on the spot and wait a few minutes, then go to painting. the only thing is you got to make sure it is covered when baseing, i did find that out the hard way.i’m not sure, i was reading in the sata manual, and it say’s that device will mess up the gun.
with the enviro, if i have a breakthrough the clear, it’s not a problem, because the water won’t fry up the clear.
when the new national rule takes effect, you better either have a gun with hvlp stamped on it, or a compliant gun (rp)with doctuments stateing that it meets the epa rule.
i would bet that now the bumper has been painted, and the paint has soaked in some, bet ya that you could use the same paint that was used the first time and get a better match.
i hate tryin to tint paint that has a seisous flop to it. i have notice that sometimes a darker alt. ends up being a better match. for some reason it has the reverse effect for being a darker alt.