2004 f250 tailgate

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  • May 27, 2011 at 3:39 pm #31027

    I am new to painting and would really enjoy learning the right economical way to fix a spot on my tailgate where paint had chipped. there is no dent. i tried using the brush on filler from advance auto and i get the brush lines which i sand down with 1000 grit . i then use the buffer and 3m product to buff and blend and it shines but i can see the irregularities ofthe brush strokes etc.

    i need advice if possible step by stepnon how to repaintnthe small area and blend it with the original paint on the tailgate.
    i figure worst case i can take to body shop. i am very mechanically inclined and would really enjoy fixing this myself.

    Thanks in adavance for your recommendations. Please includen pait gun recommendation paint type primer clear etc.
    Also what compressor setup ..i have craftsman 22 gallon comressor in my garage and garage is lit well with flourescent lighting.

    thanks

    May 27, 2011 at 8:25 pm #31030

    what I would do is sandout the paint chip and feather edge around it a few inches then use a primer to build up the area start with a small first pass and the second coat go a little further and the third past the second to create a smooth transition

    third coat……..———————
    second coat…….————
    first cost…………….—–

    sand with 220-320 up to 600 if you so desire rebase the spot gray scuff the rest of the gate and reclear

    since there is no dent you should not be using a filler (unless you mean a roll on primer but then you should be using a foam roller not a brush)
    Also 1000 grit is kinda over kill well to me anyway I base over 320 most of the time with no problems at all I have gone to 600 tho

    as for a decent gun check on Sharpe and Devilbiss you can get a starting line set from Devilbiss for under $150.00 for 3 gun set. I have used them before not bad and beats spending 2k for a good set of guns that you will need a big air system to run.

    May 28, 2011 at 3:13 am #31040

    [quote=”Wydir” post=20668]what I would do is sandout the paint chip and feather edge around it a few inches then use a primer to build up the area start with a small first pass and the second coat go a little further and the third past the second to create a smooth transition

    third coat……..———————
    second coat…….————
    first cost…………….—–

    sand with 220-320 up to 600 if you so desire rebase the spot gray scuff the rest of the gate and reclear

    since there is no dent you should not be using a filler (unless you mean a roll on primer but then you should be using a foam roller not a brush)
    Also 1000 grit is kinda over kill well to me anyway I base over 320 most of the time with no problems at all I have gone to 600 tho

    as for a decent gun check on Sharpe and Devilbiss you can get a starting line set from Devilbiss for under $150.00 for 3 gun set. I have used them before not bad and beats spending 2k for a good set of guns that you will need a big air system to run.[/quote]

    That is basically it.

    You want to feather that back, otherwise anything you fill it with may sink in and/or possibly have poor adhesion. Feathering back also allows you to remove any oxidization (surface rust) that may have occurred in that area. Any half decent 2k urethane primer will work well for you to hide the repair, just read the label as most require etch primer over the bare metal first.

    Not to discourage you from the repair, but from the sounds of it, if you need to buy all the tools, supplies etc to do this job, it will probably be cheaper to have a shop do it for you…unless you are ok spending the money as a learning experience or what not.

    What colour are you painting?

    May 28, 2011 at 4:19 am #31042

    what kind of primer and i woud use one of the 3 guns correct? what pressure do you set the compressor pressure to? do i need some type of water removal filter on compressor? and dumb question what exactly is fethering ?
    thanks

    May 28, 2011 at 4:22 am #31043

    im painting in black and yes i can afford. im looking for bragging rights against my brother who claims he knows what he is doing but i dont think he is very good..lol… does the type of paint matter for my job?
    he dealt with water based paint and really didnt turn out very well on a z.

    May 28, 2011 at 6:59 am #31047

    [quote=”lebanontn” post=20681]im painting in black and yes i can afford. im looking for bragging rights against my brother who claims he knows what he is doing but i dont think he is very good..lol… does the type of paint matter for my job?
    he dealt with water based paint and really didnt turn out very well on a z.[/quote]

    Well…here is an option that may be easier. Black is generally easy to match, you really don’t need to blend it, especially on a tailgate. You may want to try spraying the tailgate in Single Stage rather than base clear. There are fewer steps, it is cheaper and a little easier, imho. And single stage can look just as good as base/clear. UA should be your paint code…

    Feather edging (feathering) refers to sanding one or more layers of paint (and undercoats) back to a smooth transition. Improper feathering generally leads to a wavy finish. Once feathered back, several coats of primer (usually 3) are sprayed over top, then blocked flat when dry. This allows the primer to fill in the area that is sanded to become level with the existing paint. These three steps are referred to as “feather, prime and block.” They are some of the most crucial steps in getting any work straight.

    You need to figure out what products you are buying before we can tell you the exact steps. There are different products avaliable and although most are similar, there are often different processes required with using them. Tech. Sheets for the product will tell you how to mix it and apply it, how long it takes to dry and recommended grits of sandpaper. We can give you some general guidelines for now, though.

    A D.A. sander is probably the best tool for feathering your paint back (although it can be done more slowly with a block, by hand). You can start with any grit you want. I would recommend anything from 80-220. finish with 320 before priming. The primer, once fully dried, can be blocked with 320-400, some people will go coarser to start (180, 220 or 280). I prefer dry sanding most of the time, but wetsanding is an option too. If wetsanding, generally go 1 step finer than you would dry. Once blocked with 400, you can move to 500 and sand the entire tailgate (if you are painting the whole thing either with single stage or base/clear). You can finish finer, if you want (up to 800 is generally good). When sanding, it is best to use the 100 grit rule (avoid moving from one grit to the next by jumping more than 100 grit at a time, or the next avaliable grit…eg, 80, then 120, 220, 320, 400, 500, 600, 800 etc). If you do decide to go base/clear and blend the base you should clear the whole panel. The steps for sanding this are slightly different…

    You obviously have a lot of questions, maybe search through the forums and online a bit to see if you can get a clearer vision of the big picture. I believe there are some good videos from this site on youtube.

    May 28, 2011 at 5:47 pm #31056

    thank you awesome information !

    May 31, 2011 at 3:09 pm #31094

    Ben,
    Is there a book that you recommend that gives the best information?
    Thanks!

    June 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm #31216

    I have come to the conclusion that i need to repaint the whole tailgate. What is the best and quickest way to remove the paint down to metal of the tailgate and also how can you tell if the surface is completely smooth for painting after removing paint.
    Thanks

    June 14, 2011 at 7:34 pm #31217

    Just use a DA Featheredge around your repair that you were working on sand the entire panel with 240 – 320
    Spray on some sealer (Gray) sand the sealer smooth 400-600grit. At this point you should be able to see any imperfections left, If there are some sand scratches left you can either try to sand them out trying not to go through the sealer or use a glaze (Very fine Putty) I happen to use Evercoat products like metal Glaze 416 but others may have a better suggestion. You can apply a thin coat of this the sand it down till you have fixed all the problem areas you can then spray another coat of sealer or your First Coat of primer (Some primers can be mixed as a sealer depending on what products you are using.

    and spray your color spray 2-3 coats of Base and let it dry this way you can wet sand it smooth for your final coats of Base then do 2 more coats of base wait the time the tech sheet says and clear the tailgate.

    let us Know what brand and specific products you are using and we will have a better Idea of what steps to take in case your using single stage paint.

    also if you are doing it in a garage I know you would think its easier to paint it lying flat but If you can Stand it up just like it sits on the truck, This will help Bring Down your dust problems . take all the emblems off and remove the handle

    and use as many lights as you can this will help you see any flaws and help you while spraying making sure you have good film build Make sure you have good overlap and a wet edge nothing worse than Dry edged and dry rough stripes in you paint.

    June 14, 2011 at 11:54 pm #31219

    [quote=”lebanontn” post=20850]I have come to the conclusion that i need to repaint the whole tailgate. What is the best and quickest way to remove the paint down to metal of the tailgate and also how can you tell if the surface is completely smooth for painting after removing paint.
    Thanks[/quote]

    what made you come to that conclusion ,bare metaling a panel is an extreme course of action concidering you only have a paint chip to deal with

    anyway if you are starting from scratch equipment wise then to be honest doing this yourself isnt going to be economiclay vaible
    1 you will be buying your materials at retail prices
    2 you lack the experiance required to do a decent job
    3 you risk a poor colour match going edge to edge even if you do pull off a decent job of preping and spraying it which can lead to even further expence and headaches

    personaly i would agrea with the recomendations allready given regards the repair process or send it in and get it done at a bodyshop

    Paul

    June 21, 2011 at 7:04 am #31369

    Are Vaper guns that are sold by Northern tool any good? What determines if a gun is a good gun?
    I also found 2 piece gun kit by devilbiss model 802343 for s133.99.

    June 21, 2011 at 8:39 am #31370

    I have used the StartingLine Guns Before they are Good I like their Spot repair Gun the most. but i see its not in the kit you have listed

    But ya stick with a name brand paint gun : Sharpe , Sata , Iwata , Binks , Devilbiss

    you will have to read up on what makes a gun good Would take days to type that out. All guns have a purpose. like a SATA 100RP Is a Primer Gun , SATA 3000HVLP Is a Base Gun, SATA3000RP Is a Clearcoat Gun

    And Yes you could use them for any thing you want, They dont have to be used just as I wrote but they are all designed for a reason.

    I have never used the Vapor Gun you mentioned

    June 22, 2011 at 3:18 am #31382

    I have a vaper gun 1.4 I use it to seal. Once to paint a part its only good for sealing.

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