Door Skins & Structure
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I might as well get this issue straightened up too. I’ve heard some completely against skinning in the first place, but overall it sounds like an acceptable repair. I had this arguement with my bodyman the other day when a PT cruiser was hit on the door and obviously made sufficient contact with the metal reinforcement bar in the door. My first thought it don’t repair it since that main supports been hit, He argued that it could be skinned and the reinforcement repaired. I quoted a new complete shell and thats whats going on it. So my question basically is, Is their any OEM that approves skinning a door when the reinforcement bar has been hit? Is this odd that both bodymen in my shop suggest that would be alright to repair the reinforcement bar?
i think it would depend on how much damage the reinforcement bar sustained some of them repair pretty easy while some dont if its just pushed in on on end then i dont see much of a problem straitening it when the skin is off but if its creamed or kinked i wouldnt also depends on the type of beam your dealing with to
Intrusion beams are not to be repaired, never, no matter how slight the damage, if the beam is bent the shell is scrap. Could you straighten one and skin a door, yes. However it should not be done. Every manufacturer and technical training organization say the HSS and UHSS steel intrusion beams strength is compromised once bent. As long as were one the skin thing, anybody that sections outer door panels is an idiot and hack, takes longer and makes me sick kinda like the quarter job in the jamb.
Thankfully I haven’t seen that done yet. As you can imagine I’ve seen other things besides that Honda that make me cringe….
So it sounds like its safe to assume I can always put down for a new door in this case and expect few problems from the insurance appraisers. I just feel like I’m loosing my mind having all these licensed guys clueless on the subject!
http://www.i-car.com/pdf/advantage/online/2004/102504b_honda.pdf read the bottom about door beams
get the facts from your dealers, its all in black and white. Not following factory manual is a “business decision” what that means is you are liable for the method you use. I do not know better than the manufacturer how to safely repair collision damage so i do what is recommended exactly what they say. If the manual says to section that frame rail 85mm from this hole using a 16cm sleeve i dont butt weld it in at 75mm.how about the ones that are a w type beam an flatten out on each end??? you know the type im talking about ive had the end pushed in on those an just pulled em back out with my hand then just skinned the door ya know the type im talking about???
Read the bold red print my friend. Every manufacturer says it……..beam bent at all…..replace shell.
Skin a door. Yes, it’s a common proceedure. but if the beam is in any way damaged they say the structure is compromised and it should be replaced.
Richard
Guess I could’ve read the other post. Pnlbtr pretty much summed it up. :laugh:
We never repair the beam. I’ll write for skins when needed but when we get it torn down and the beam is only bent say 1/8 it gets a shell.
Not all intrusion beams are made from UHHS, HHS. BORON , TRIP, Steel etc infact quite a lot are not
Jap Cars quite a lot are not
Ford post 2002 are
Bmw are
suzuki are not
Opel are
Personally if the intusion beam is damaged in slightest and i am unsure what type of metal the beam is made from. I will use that as a lever to force the adjuster to repalce the door shell, door skins are a menace and should be avoided i would refuse to replace a door skin on a car that was only months old. I dont care how good anybody is at skinning and sealing you can always tell when a door has had a skin.
If any body men on here disagree please post a high res pic of a door that has been skinned. A door shell replacment is much more time efficent repair procedure.
I dont know about you guys over the pond but the paint time on a shell plus double blend into surrounding panels is not much different to the paint time on a skin plus double blend. And i know witch job i would rather do by a country mile.Does that make the intrusion beam repairable on those cars? (in the eyes of the manufacturer)
I asked our owner what our procedure was on a damaged intrusion beam and he agreed with all of the above. He said if there is any visible damage the door gets replaced. He said we make alot more money replacing a door. More on parts, less labor spent on the car and it pays about the same.
[b]jimmo wrote:[/b]
[quote]Does that make the intrusion beam repairable on those cars? (in the eyes of the manufacturer)[/quote]No i would say the genaral rule of thumb is any door beam intrusion damage, write for a shell
It is the have a go hero’s that say ” [b]i can sort that [/b]” :laugh:
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