Raw Plastic Refinishing
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[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote][b]ding wrote:[/b]
[quote]I wouldnt base over a raw bumper that just had adhesion promoter on it….ever.
why not just base over sanded e-coat also.
show me a tech sheet from a major paint manufacturer that says just to base over adhesion promoter. Bulldog may say it’s ok but bulldog isn’t warrantying my paint either.
At least I know when it’s done the proper way it will never come back to bite me in the ***
:pcorn:[/quote] i thought bulldog has a gaurntee on the lable.
plus i do base over e-coat. it’s primer sand it well and base will stick.
here’s what you ask for.
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProductCatalog/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=beaa9548-e3a5-4232-8422-2ccad827489a
after opeing the link, click on english, then open. after it opens, scroll all the way down. to the chart system.[/quote]I would never base over e-coat without sealer. It’s not that it won’t stick if sanded, but that it will rock chip to hell. Sealer provides a cushion for the rest of the paintjob. I have had to re-repair quite a few jobs from other shops where they have based over e-coat and it chipped badly.
Again, sealer should be used for both cases.
But honestly…if someone isn’t paying for the labour or materials, are you going to give it away for free?
really, your really concern about rock chips. question. how many cars have you repaired with oem factory, never been refinished before, rock chips all across the front end? with due respect. i will not say that i can guarantee rocks. if the factory can not. why should i. plus they put all the undercoats as soon and the parts and covers come off the molds. my jobers tell me the same thing. the question i ask them is this. how many times have i called you about rocks chiping the paint on a car i refinshed? his answer. 0.
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote]15 to 20 mins..[/quote]Is 15-20 minutes worth your paintjob not lasting as long as it should? If so then go for it.
[b]lild wrote:[/b]
[quote]really, your really concern about rock chips. question. how many cars have you repaired with oem factory, never been refinished before, rock chips all across the front end? with due respect. i will not say that i can guarantee rocks. if the factory can not. why should i. plus they put all the undercoats as soon and the parts and covers come off the molds. my jobers tell me the same thing. the question i ask them is this. how many times have i called you about rocks chiping the paint on a car i refinshed? his answer. 0.[/quote]
Some people take pride in their work…… Some dont :whistle:Do I worry about rock chips?? Fuk yes I do. I don’t want something I painted peppered with chips. Hey no sweat off my balls, do them however you want to.
I wouldn’t set my standards to what the factory does, their first concern is keeping costs down. Most factory paintjobs aren’t exactly what I would call impressive. Plus they only warranty their job for 3-5 tears. Mine has a lifetime warranty.
Not lasting as long as it should… i know for certain that it does last
for many years. Four plus years without failure is good enough for me.
Anyhow, sealing raw plastic is no big deal and obviously not critical.
Basing over ecoat…that will fail for sure.we warranty our work for a lifetime too. we have to. and so does ppg. i’ve never called them for a problem that i have short cutted. one reason is because i’ve never had one. i’ve been doing this, this way for 12yrs now. i’ve never had a car come back for rock chips. or paint peeling. i do take pride in my work. it’s hard to prove that i’m wrong, when i’ve done it for so long, and you’ve never tried it.
and as for the factory. i may be wrong, but are they not useing the same things were useing? plus, rock chips are ungaruanteeable. your talking about a projectal that flies twice as fast as it is thrown. do you know any glass comp. guranteeing their windsheilds againt rockchips?
and yes 15-20 mins. will last many, many yrs. plus people now adays don’t keep cars that long anymore.lild, please seal e-coat before basing and just use adpro for raw covers. 🙂
im not a production shop. i know most of my customers well and get to see
my own jobs regulary. In a fast paced production shop, you probably never get
to chat with the owners nor see your own work regulary…im sure you take pride in your work. otherwise you wouldn’t be here like the rest
of us[b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]lild, please seal e-coat before basing and just use adpro for raw covers. :)[/quote]
well i got to now. due to useing enviro base. and what the hell is adpro?I dont have to try not sealing e-coat, I have seen first hand what happens. Plus at a Spies Hecker and Sikkens training center they have panels set up that show the difference.
Just because the car hasn’t come back doesn’t mean its not chipping. As I said do what you want, doesn’t bother me.
[b]Han wrote:[/b]
[quote]im not a production shop. i know most of my customers well and get to see
my own jobs regulary. In a fast paced production shop, you probably never get
to chat with the owners nor see your own work regulary…im sure you take pride in your work. otherwise you wouldn’t be here like the rest
of us[/quote] thank you. i do take pride in my work. it’s just i know my products. and i know what i can do, and what i can’t. yes we are a production shop, it has it’s pros and cons, and it’s very stressfull. especially when your on programs to make sure dinner gets put on the table.Shop owner or employee, it’s all stressful. Getting the weekends off to spend
time with family is a good thing. Working everyday, even though i enjoy it,
it gets to ya. Still, just having work in this economy is excellent. So be
grateful for that. i am.adpro = Adhesion Promoter primarily designed for raw plastics.
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