Andy Taylor
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[quote=”AllAmericanCollisionllc” post=24366]haha snow running down, thats what I’d call a hard to controll environment[/quote]
Here’s a couple of my old buddies, sheltering from the rain :blink:
[IMG]http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn385/Duluxdude/Random/work13.jpg[/IMG]
:welc
I worked out of the back of a van for several years so I understand the special requirements asked of you in that situation. One too many cold winters brought me back inside to the warmth and comfort of a spray booth though 😆
Chipping the ice off the top of your flatting bucket and having melting snow running down the car as you paint stopped being funny after a while… :deadhorse My current job is much less fun and not as varied. Doesn’t pay quite so well either, but it’s much better for my ageing bones 😆
[quote=”sdomburg” post=24257]
You are talking about the 900+ which was launched recently (13 additional mixing colours). I’m pretty sure that in the UK you should be able to get a hold of them already :)[/quote]
I’m sure they are over here as I was talking to our tech guy about how the testing went, but I haven’t had them introduced to me yet. Not quite sure where we are going to put them as I haven’t got space on my scheme for 13 extra containers!Some of the original colours have started to come through in the re-branded packaging though, complete with Kingfisher logo 🙂
Great work. That’s beautiful :clappy
[quote=”jimmo” post=24162]I’m trying to look into whats going on. First off do you log in at the top of a forum page like this or on the home page, there two different login modules (2 different sets of code) so just want to make sure its not specific to one.[/quote]
[b]Short answer:[/b] I come straight to the forum
[b]Long answer:[/b] I come to the forum in one of two ways
1) Like now, I hit the link in a reply notification email. This brings me straight to the topic but I am not logged in. My browser (I think) has already filled in my username and password however, so I just check the “remember me” box and hit the log in button. This takes me to the home page from where I navigate my way back to the topic.
2) I have the recent topics page bookmarked
[code]http://www.refinishnetwork.com/forum-2/recent-topics[/code]
When I follow that link it brings me to the correct page but as above I have to log in and navigate back from the home page.
Hope that explanation helps to point you in the right direction. Don’t lose any sleep over it though, I can live with it if it’s a tricky fix :cheer:
It’s a conspiracy – they’re trying to keep the Brits out 😆
Firefox 8.0
I should note that this is the only forum I’m having trouble with, despite being a regular visitor to 4 others, and an occasional lurker on about another dozen 🙂
It isn’t exactly a problem, more of an irritation really.
Nope, it didn’t last… :blink:
[quote=”nick@dunsdale” post=24144]yes it has been the same for me always have to log in every visit
[b]must be something to do with cookies[/b]
other forums seem to remember me, one for Jimmo to fix me thinks[/quote]
Bingo!
I’ve cleared cookies for this site and so far it seems to have worked :rock
Ah thanks guys, that explains it :compsmash :rofl
[quote=”nick@dunsdale” post=24129]
I have three of these standsI have one very similar to that. Mine has all sorts of attachments for bolting stuff to, and most usefully four large bulldog type clips on extended rods. Ideal for clipping small parts to.
[quote=”nick@dunsdale” post=24129]
i find wires and hooks to the ceiling a bit of a hassle.[/quote]
I once did some “body panels” for a class 10 autograss car like this
[img]http://www.ardracecars.com/Images/ross9292small.jpg[/img]
Basically a booth full of small flat aluminium panels swinging from the roof from wires. I hate painting a moving target :lol1 :hunt
[quote=”ding” post=24073][quote=”Andy T” post=24069] I don’t believe in sealers. To me it’s extra time and money spent on something that’s only there to disguise poor prep work. Just my feelings on it.[/color]
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For some reason I find this comment funny :whistle: :rofl :rofl :rofl[/quote]I was expecting to get flamed for it to be honest 😆
I’m willing to listen if someone has a good reason for using them, but until that day I’ll carry on as I am…. :cheers
[quote=”El chupacabra” post=24071] The colors i have been checking the system with….Some arnt even close to blendable. [/quote]
Have you tried spraying them out? I’ve noticed quite a few colour chips that are a good bus ride away from being a match, but when sprayed out they look fine. And one thing I can tell you about DeBeer is that it blends very well. Sure I’ve been told by their paint tech that I’m the second best blender he’s ever met (the other was a sikkens paint tech) but I’ve never seen anyone make a real bad job of blending it.
[quote=”turbo t” post=24070]andy i noticed the other day … layed down base etc all good with the new gti … dried it off all good
went to apply the clear (420. 8-414 using sata2000 1.3 set up …. the clear came out in large droplets hitting the panel on first coat ?
second coat all leveled out like glass …. walked away came back in 5 to clean the gun and it hit the floor lol
mixed 3:1 10% uni thinners
any ideas ? how did you find applications ?
thanks
ps just herd this morning about the new stuff he was on training for sounds pretty gooooood debeer 2!
tommy[/quote]How thin?! :huh: I’m pretty sure the 8-414 is 0% – 5% maximum.
I’m not much of a SATA man, but are you using an RP (blue ring on air cap) or a HVLP (green ring)? Sounds like it was throwing really wet blobs of clear on rather than atomising it finely, which to me could be that your pressure was too low. Sure it’ll flow out like glass, but it won’t always stop at that :lol1 I don’t have the technical info to hand, but I’m pretty sure a 1.2 is preferred, 1.3 as a second choice, with a spray pressure of 2.0 – 2.5 BAR.
These 420 clears are like syrup and require a small nozzle and plenty of air to break them up nice and fine.
Woah! lots of questions! I’ll do my best to answer them :pcorn:
[quote=”El chupacabra” post=24068]Hey guys,
sounds like your in England. Im in the U.S.. If you guys dont mind i would like to ask you some questions about the 900 line and Debeer in general[color=#0000bb]Yep, there are a few of us here from the UK[/color]
Frist i was wondering what products you guys use, such as Primer surfacers and clears. I use a lot of 8-145 both as a surfacer and as a sealer. Do you guys use this product? If so, are you useing it with the ms or the hs hardners and what do you think of it?
[color=#0000bb]Yes I use 8-145 as a primer, with the 8-140 fast or 8-130 extra fast HS hardeners. Works pretty well I find. Dries well, sands easily, doesn’t shrink if applied correctly. Just about everything you need in a primer really :lol1 I have used it occasionally as a sealer for brand new panels but on the whole I don’t believe in sealers. To me it’s extra time and money spent on something that’s only there to disguise poor prep work. Just my feelings on it.[/color]
I also use or have used 121 and 104 clears. Do you use these and what do you think of them? I have herd about the clear 420.Cool number by the way :stoned Have you used it and what do you think?
[color=#0000bb]Not used either of those I’m afraid. I know some DeBeer products are numbered differently in other parts of the world though, so they may be similar to the ones I use. I mostly use the 8-214 scratch resistant HS clear. It’ll do single visit applications if needed (30% coat then straight over with a full coat) but I prefer 2 coats for most jobs. We get a fair amount of trash due to the quick throughput and the extra film thickness gives us plenty of room to flat & polish it out.
I have tried both of DeBeers 420 clearcoats. The 8-414 “regular” one, and the 8-314 speed clear. The last one is one of my favourites of all time. Plenty of build, good gloss, and 10 minute bake time with the speed additive! It’s far too expensive for us to use here though so we stick to the 8-214.
By the way, the 420 figure is used to show that it’s a compliant product. Most shops have to use such products, which contain a maximum of 420 grammes of VOC per litre of product.[/color]
Then lets get into color match.Compared to the system i use most of the time, the 900 line seems to have way less variant chips.Its not just one code it seems to be every code i look at. Honestly i havnt looked at that many maybe twenty or so.This freaks me out a bit. So i guess my question is, What do you think of the color match? I also see that they have less toners on their bank. Does this mean they cant make some colors? I ask the reps these questions but all i get like every other salesmen is a bunch of well….sales bs if you know what i mean. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
[color=#0000bb]They do appear to have a few less toners than other schemes, but compared to others I’ve used it’s mainly the “weakened” ones that are missing. You know, like a tinting black or yellow which isn’t very strong. It can make mixing small quantities of white (for example) a bit tricky, with a drop either way affecting the final colour, but I’ve just learned to mix a reasonable amount of paint to account for this.
I’ve yet to find a colour that I can’t mix. There are bound to be some of the really old colours that haven’t been reformulated in water borne, but I’m sure that’s the same for most manufacturers. The other week I was asked to look up a colour for a 1981 Mercedes. It was available on my scheme despite being 30 years old
As for colour matching. Some do, some don’t :whistle: To be honest I blend a lot of adjacent panels as in our environment it’s the best way. 10 minute extra to scuff a surrounding panel and a few pennys worth of tape compared to mixing and spraying out (possibly) several shades of paint and tinting up and down. We simply don’t have the time available to mess around like that so I’ll go for the nearest shade and blend it. There are certain colours that I’ve sprayed many many times and I know they’ll be a perfect butt match, but most of the time it’s simply not worth the risk as I cannot afford to have any reworks[/color]
[/quote][quote=”bondomerchant” post=23978]an the plot thickens :rofl :rofl :rofl[/quote]
Yes, it’s suddenly become a whole different ball game to a simple scuff & shoot :huh: