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Thanks for your honest thoughts Jimmo. My biggest fear with any new product is that it will not perform as it is supposed to.
I see your experience supports our earlier discussions that it is really something for spot repairs, panels at most.
The HPC-15 is actually the final component of an entire speed process where you can do a repair – from primer to clear – in about 40 minutes (at 70°-75°F).
The process is to apply 2-3 coats of Speed P30 primer (back to back – no flash between coats). Let that flash for 15 minutes (at 70°-75°F) then sand.
Then you apply Ultra 7000 basecoat, flashing each coat with a venturi air dryer. The last coat needs to flash until it is no longer thumb printable (about 5 minutes @ 75°F)
Finally, you clear with HPC-15.
Pretty cool stuff when you need speed.
Maybe I can tell you why Jimmo… there are a few reasons.
1) What one says online lives forever (or seems to). In this day and age, it is far too easy to say something that may get you into trouble, even if your intentions are the best. Some people are afraid.
2) A lot of people are not very tech savvy. They avoid all contact with computers like the plague.
3) There is the fear of being expected to know *everything*, and one generally has several paint lines, along with hundreds (or thousands) of other related products. People fear looking “stupid” or unprofessional if they cannot answer every single question. With many years as a sales rep under my belt, I have no problem saying “I don’t know. I’ll find out and get back to you.”
4) Some people *have* gone online, allowed their passion for their product to take over, cloud their thinking, and been told to back off.
5) Some people, when they quit work at 5:00 (or whatever time), they *really* quit work. Again, my years in sales have gotten me into a 24/7 “on the job” mode.
Active participation in our own private employee forum is probably something around 1% or less (probably for some of the very same reasons as above)
Then there’s respect… I see that Brian Lynch is very active & respected on Kustom Kulture Lounge, so I try not to step on his toes or try to “muscle in” on his turf. The same is true whenever I see a competitor’s rep on a board.
Some boards are not friendly to reps – making it clear that nearly anything we might say could be construed as some sort of sales pitch – which, in many respects, it is. Personally, I don’t see that as an evil, but, still, I respect whomever owns & runs the board, as well as the users there.
Another thing is, there *are* some reps and paint company employees on a some of the boards… they just don’t make that fact so well known, and don’t say anything that might make it known.
Finally, one needs to temper their bias and be 100% honest when it is known they are a manufacturer’s rep. Some people can’t do that, so they stay away. Some people won’t do that, do you wouldn’t want them here.
Honestly, it’s rather difficult to post in these forums as a known company rep. I sometimes type out a very long post, then completely delete it. Sometimes I immediately type out an answer, which I “know” is right – but then do some research to make sure. I am cautious in what I say, and how I say it. … but I enjoy the discussions and the people, so it’s worth it to me. For some people, it’d just be too much work. 😉
[b]bondomerchant wrote:[/b]
[quote]gimme a little kitty hair any day over all metal[/quote]And what does that have to do with fixing cars Bondo?? 😉
Ding fries are done.
[b]bondomerchant wrote:[/b]
[quote]kinda funney that most of the painters i know never do that one till they get into trouble i always feel like a minority but also a guy should take notes on that card ive kicked myself in the ass for not doing that:angry:[/quote]I do a lot of sprayout cards (to come up with a color match, or create a custom color for someone), and I’ve gotten pretty good at keeping notes on the back. There are, however, a few, either from my early days, or from a late night, where I wrote *nothing* on them… and once in a while I find one like that, because it’s the color I need, and kick myself for being such a putz.
AWX Rules! None of the others even come close!!
(Note: My opinion may be somewhat biased) 🙂
If the primer is soluble, you take it all off and start from scratch. If the primer is not soluble, clean, scuff, clean, seal, paint, clear.
The FE reps came in selling this to me. The flyers & stuff are still on my desk. I haven’t ordered any into the store yet. I like to wait and see if there is going to be some interest from my shops before I end up with something sitting on my shelves collecting dust.
Here’s a serious tip…
Do a sprayout card, and clear it, to make sure you have a good color match, before you shoot the entire job.
[b]bondomerchant wrote:[/b]
[quote]ya night hawk is right 24grit on the ol souix body grinder with a star cut disc is WAY faster right on nighthawk GITTERDONE!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:[/quote]Why doesn’t anyone make 14 grit??? Sure would speed up productivity & make knocking down my bondo work less of a chore.
I’m not in California or Canada, so I don’t deal with CC921, but, looking at the data sheet, the recommendations look similar to our other clears.
The Iwata will be the same as the Sata recommendation – 10 psi at the cap. On your Iwata, to get 10 psi at the cap, you want to have 18-25 psi coming into the gun. (on a Sata, it’s about 25-30). I’d start down around 18-19 psi coming in, do some sprayouts, see how you like it, adjust from there.
Aside from that, I run everything else on my gun wide open all the time.
Given each auto repair shop (or group of shops) is an entity unto itself, serving the needs of the individual owner, owners, or investors, realistically speaking, there is not sufficient motivation for a unity among all shops. It just takes one shop to bow to pressures from the insurers, and all the other shops are left with the choice to either play along, or risk losing that business.
I can’t imagine there will ever be a time when there isn’t going to be that one shop.
[b]bondomerchant wrote:[/b]
[quote]i bet ya guys are in cahoots with my jobber:angry:[/quote]Of course. I was born and raised in Cahoots.
[b]jimmo wrote:[/b]
[quote]Austin Powers[/quote]I see.
I’m a bit behind on my movie watching. Too much time on the computer.
[b]jimmo wrote:[/b]
[quote]These guys have been after our business for a while, being one of the few S&W products we use maybe thats why so cheap. I told him I wanted to try it, maybe he gave a demo price or something??[/quote]I think so. I looked up the pricing when I got to the store today. He gave you a very nice discount. Not as extreme as I imagined at first sight. That was a cool thing for them to do.